Stock 305 HO - 600cfm vs. 650cfm Edelbrock? Plus 700R4 question
Stock 305 HO - 600cfm vs. 650cfm Edelbrock? Plus 700R4 question
Me again. I've just recently discovered that the "new" carb on my '84 Z28 was actually an Ebay Special and is extremely worn out (loads of play in the throttle blade linkage rods, rust, etc) so I'm probably gonna get a new carb for it reasonably soon. It's currently got the 600cfm Edelbrock with "economy" jets for the primaries, which is a bit of a joke as the car gets about 13mpg on a good day. I'm planning on a few upgrades - was going to do a full engine swap but it's absolutely spotless inside and has fantastic oil pressure (40psi hot idle). The only real issue is the valve stem seals are gone, but I'm planning a head swap anyway. I'm looking at making maybe 250-300 hp, just enough to make the car fun but still streetable. If I buy a 650cfm as the replacement, would that be enough for that horsepower range on a 305, or should I go for 700?
The 700R4 question is pretty simple; I know they have something of a bad reputation for failing under not-very-high horsepower and torque loads, would the stock 700R4 be able to handle that much power or is 190 already pushing it? I'm planning on a new, overkill trans at some point - I just want to know if I'll have to limit myself to avoid rapid unscheduled disassembly in the meantime.
The 700R4 question is pretty simple; I know they have something of a bad reputation for failing under not-very-high horsepower and torque loads, would the stock 700R4 be able to handle that much power or is 190 already pushing it? I'm planning on a new, overkill trans at some point - I just want to know if I'll have to limit myself to avoid rapid unscheduled disassembly in the meantime.
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Car: Dad's 87 Bird (Org Owner)
Engine: Vortec 350 Crate Motor
Transmission: TH350
Axle/Gears: 3.42 Posi
Re: Stock 305 HO - 600cfm vs. 650cfm Edelbrock? Plus 700R4 question
Make sure to get the correct 700R4 linkage arm for what ever carb you choose. It has the right geometry for the TV cable, which has to be adjusted correctly. If not, you will burn up the transmission in no time.
I run a 600 cfm, 1406 Edelbrock on my mild 350.
I run a 600 cfm, 1406 Edelbrock on my mild 350.
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From: Meriden, CT 06451
Car: 84 TA orig. 305 LG4 "H" E4ME
Engine: 334 SBC - stroked 305 M4ME Q-Jet
Transmission: upgraded 700R4 3200 stall
Axle/Gears: 10bolt 4.10 Posi w Lakewood TA Bars
Re: Stock 305 HO - 600cfm vs. 650cfm Edelbrock? Plus 700R4 question
Here is a link for you: https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/carb...-tv-cable.html
Re: Stock 305 HO - 600cfm vs. 650cfm Edelbrock? Plus 700R4 question
Thanks for the help, guys - honestly surprised a 600cfm can support anything stronger than a stock 350, but I only have extensive experience with single-barrels. Anyone know how much the stock 10-bolt rear end with stock gearing can take? I'm looking at a custom fab Ford 9" if I have to, but I'd rather not spend the extra $2500 if it isn't needed.
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From: Colorado USA
Car: '83 Firebird (T/A Clone)
Engine: 350 with L-69 components
Transmission: 700R-4, 2000 RPM stall converter
Axle/Gears: 10-bolt/3.73 ..
Re: Stock 305 HO - 600cfm vs. 650cfm Edelbrock? Plus 700R4 question
ONLY $2500 ???...
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From: Portland, OR
Car: 86 Imponte Ruiner 450GT, 91 Formula
Engine: 350 Vortec, FIRST TPI, 325 RWHP
Transmission: 700R4 3000 stall.
Axle/Gears: 9 Bolt Torsen 3.70
Re: Stock 305 HO - 600cfm vs. 650cfm Edelbrock? Plus 700R4 question
Probably more than that by the end, this is what I was looking at. https://www.moserengineering.com/9-F...d-Package.item
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From: Portland, OR
Car: 86 Imponte Ruiner 450GT, 91 Formula
Engine: 350 Vortec, FIRST TPI, 325 RWHP
Transmission: 700R4 3000 stall.
Axle/Gears: 9 Bolt Torsen 3.70
Re: Stock 305 HO - 600cfm vs. 650cfm Edelbrock? Plus 700R4 question
Probably more than that by the end, this is what I was looking at. https://www.moserengineering.com/9-F...d-Package.item
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Joined: Sep 1999
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From: Colorado USA
Car: '83 Firebird (T/A Clone)
Engine: 350 with L-69 components
Transmission: 700R-4, 2000 RPM stall converter
Axle/Gears: 10-bolt/3.73 ..
Re: Stock 305 HO - 600cfm vs. 650cfm Edelbrock? Plus 700R4 question
It would fit the stock wheels.
I've seen them from Quick Performance for $3500...
I've seen them from Quick Performance for $3500...
Re: Stock 305 HO - 600cfm vs. 650cfm Edelbrock? Plus 700R4 question
Probably more than that by the end, this is what I was looking at. https://www.moserengineering.com/9-F...d-Package.item
Edit: and also I haven't been getting notifications of new posts, that's neat.
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From: Portland, OR
Car: 86 Imponte Ruiner 450GT, 91 Formula
Engine: 350 Vortec, FIRST TPI, 325 RWHP
Transmission: 700R4 3000 stall.
Axle/Gears: 9 Bolt Torsen 3.70
Re: Stock 305 HO - 600cfm vs. 650cfm Edelbrock? Plus 700R4 question
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From: Colorado USA
Car: '83 Firebird (T/A Clone)
Engine: 350 with L-69 components
Transmission: 700R-4, 2000 RPM stall converter
Axle/Gears: 10-bolt/3.73 ..
Re: Stock 305 HO - 600cfm vs. 650cfm Edelbrock? Plus 700R4 question
Supply and demand mostly. Not that many people putting these into third gens.....the 9" is popular but it's old, and Ford doesn't use it anymore. And there are more efficient designs available now like the Ford 8.8 or the GM 12 or 14 bolt (which is a monster).
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Re: Stock 305 HO - 600cfm vs. 650cfm Edelbrock? Plus 700R4 question
Why not a Quick Performance housing? Way less bread than the Moser. They seem really proud of that.
That said the stock axles "depend." Some people break em with stock power and others beat the snot out of them and run single digits with tire. Depends on a lot of things (weight, power, tire) and maybe a bit of luck. From what I understand higher numerical gears make this problem worse as well. Then again I knew a guy with an S10 that'd draw lines down the axle shafts so he could replace them if he saw them starting to twist.
Have you tried different metering rods yet?
That said the stock axles "depend." Some people break em with stock power and others beat the snot out of them and run single digits with tire. Depends on a lot of things (weight, power, tire) and maybe a bit of luck. From what I understand higher numerical gears make this problem worse as well. Then again I knew a guy with an S10 that'd draw lines down the axle shafts so he could replace them if he saw them starting to twist.
Have you tried different metering rods yet?
Re: Stock 305 HO - 600cfm vs. 650cfm Edelbrock? Plus 700R4 question
Why not a Quick Performance housing? Way less bread than the Moser. They seem really proud of that.
That said the stock axles "depend." Some people break em with stock power and others beat the snot out of them and run single digits with tire. Depends on a lot of things (weight, power, tire) and maybe a bit of luck. From what I understand higher numerical gears make this problem worse as well. Then again I knew a guy with an S10 that'd draw lines down the axle shafts so he could replace them if he saw them starting to twist.
Have you tried different metering rods yet?
That said the stock axles "depend." Some people break em with stock power and others beat the snot out of them and run single digits with tire. Depends on a lot of things (weight, power, tire) and maybe a bit of luck. From what I understand higher numerical gears make this problem worse as well. Then again I knew a guy with an S10 that'd draw lines down the axle shafts so he could replace them if he saw them starting to twist.
Have you tried different metering rods yet?
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From: Meriden, CT 06451
Car: 84 TA orig. 305 LG4 "H" E4ME
Engine: 334 SBC - stroked 305 M4ME Q-Jet
Transmission: upgraded 700R4 3200 stall
Axle/Gears: 10bolt 4.10 Posi w Lakewood TA Bars
Re: Stock 305 HO - 600cfm vs. 650cfm Edelbrock? Plus 700R4 question
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