More EBAY BS
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More EBAY BS
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=1872970022
Take a look, makes you want to reach thru the computer and kill the guy. Just another gimik like K&N.
Take a look, makes you want to reach thru the computer and kill the guy. Just another gimik like K&N.
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No aftermarket chip will ever be as good as a custom chip you have burned to the specific specifications of your car. No two souped' up cars are exactly the same.
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devianb, 100% correct
Also no "hot chip" is worth a damn with out the "hot CAM" to let in the extra fuel mixture.
Also no "hot chip" is worth a damn with out the "hot CAM" to let in the extra fuel mixture.
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From: Moorpark
Car: 1991 CAMARO 1968 FIREBIRD
Engine: CAMARO 3.1L FIREBIRD 455
Transmission: CAMARO 700R4 FIREBIRD TH-400
All it does is mess with the air intake tempature making the car think its colder out so the computer pumps out more fuel. I did that to my car didnt make a real difference i cant remeber what ohm resistor i had on the car but i read it would make the car think it was like 20 degrees outside or somethin like that.
Originally posted by dsaint1347
You mean K&N is a gimmick?
You mean K&N is a gimmick?
Originally posted by Ryan_Alswede
Yes because it doesn't do anything to MPG or help any on the Dyno.
Yes because it doesn't do anything to MPG or help any on the Dyno.
I haven't bought a k&n filter yet, your saying that I shouldn't ?
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It's up to you, me i just get a new air filter every year, why waste your time trying to wash something.
There is no "extra air" because your air filter thats in your car now is sized for your engine and then some.
There is no "extra air" because your air filter thats in your car now is sized for your engine and then some.
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Originally posted by Camar_Hunter_c
Umm that "CHIP" they are selling is nothing more then a Resistor in a pretty box.
Did you read it "Modifies inlet air temp"? Yeah, $37 for a 30 cent resistor in a pretty box.
Umm that "CHIP" they are selling is nothing more then a Resistor in a pretty box.
Did you read it "Modifies inlet air temp"? Yeah, $37 for a 30 cent resistor in a pretty box.
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From: Moorpark
Car: 1991 CAMARO 1968 FIREBIRD
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Have you all seen the TB Coolant Bypass they sell on ebay for like 20 bucks and it adds like 8 hp lol.
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The K&N's don't produce any 20+hp, but I believe they do loosen up your intake a bit. Well, if you've got a ram air dual snorkel intake, that is... The flow much better than your standard paper air filter.
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From: Moorpark
Car: 1991 CAMARO 1968 FIREBIRD
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Transmission: CAMARO 700R4 FIREBIRD TH-400
The difference between a K&N air filter and a paper filter is that over a longer peroid of time the K&N will flow more then the paper filter. But a paper filter will flow more air brandnew then a New k&N the paper filter just gets cloged faster.
the JET product requires that you change the thermistat in your vehicle, adding another $50 at minimum
thermostat=$2 so labor =$48
so if thats true, your paying $100+ an hour for labor. Makes no sense to claim something outrageous like that.
Modification
Underdrive Pulley
AEM Cold Air Intake
JET V-Chip
Single Ceramic Header
Cat-Back Exhaust
Turbo/Supercharger
Next Level G-Box
Est. Hp Gain
8 Hp
8 Hp
10 Hp
5 Hp
10 Hp
100 Hp
10 Hp
Retail Price
$100.00
$200.00
$270.00
$175.00
$400.00
$2000.00
$65.00(Intro Retail Price)
whens the last time anyone paid $200 for an intake or $400 for a catback? Lots of headers can help free more than 5 hp.
All this is trying to do is make eager buyers think that real products are expensive ripoffs and that this expensive ripoff is a real product.
I mean, how can you compare this thing to a JET chip????
"High-Heat Signal Correction."
makes the engine air seem cooler....can you say resistor?
thermostat=$2 so labor =$48so if thats true, your paying $100+ an hour for labor. Makes no sense to claim something outrageous like that.
Modification
Underdrive Pulley
AEM Cold Air Intake
JET V-Chip
Single Ceramic Header
Cat-Back Exhaust
Turbo/Supercharger
Next Level G-Box
Est. Hp Gain
8 Hp
8 Hp
10 Hp
5 Hp
10 Hp
100 Hp
10 Hp
Retail Price
$100.00
$200.00
$270.00
$175.00
$400.00
$2000.00
$65.00(Intro Retail Price)
whens the last time anyone paid $200 for an intake or $400 for a catback? Lots of headers can help free more than 5 hp.
All this is trying to do is make eager buyers think that real products are expensive ripoffs and that this expensive ripoff is a real product.
I mean, how can you compare this thing to a JET chip????
"High-Heat Signal Correction."
makes the engine air seem cooler....can you say resistor?
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Originally posted by camaro89dude
the JET product requires that you change the thermistat in your vehicle, adding another $50 at minimum
thermostat=$2 so labor =$48
so if thats true, your paying $100+ an hour for labor. Makes no sense to claim something outrageous like that.
the JET product requires that you change the thermistat in your vehicle, adding another $50 at minimum
thermostat=$2 so labor =$48so if thats true, your paying $100+ an hour for labor. Makes no sense to claim something outrageous like that.
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Originally posted by 1991tealRSt-topGuy
my shop charges $90 an hour for labor, so thats not that far off i'm affraid
my shop charges $90 an hour for labor, so thats not that far off i'm affraid
Shops in Champaign charge around $50-75.
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Originally posted by camaro89dude
what kind of real man would pay a shop to change a thermostat anyway?
that was the first thing i fixed on my car back when I was 16 and had never even seen an engine before.
what kind of real man would pay a shop to change a thermostat anyway?
that was the first thing i fixed on my car back when I was 16 and had never even seen an engine before.
Originally posted by camaro89dude
whens the last time anyone paid $200 for an intake or $400 for a catback?
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whens the last time anyone paid $200 for an intake or $400 for a catback?
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Plus their exhuast "upgrades" are pricey too.....and they still pay for it cause it daddy's money.
Check this out: http://leader.linkexchange.com/1/X1351960/showiframe?
$250-$315 for a frickin pipe.
Last edited by CaliCamaroRS; Nov 23, 2002 at 02:28 PM.
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the paper filter just gets cloged faster
Originally posted by Ryan_Alswede
Won't that mean that more dirt is getting into your engine if the K&N isn't stopping it.
Won't that mean that more dirt is getting into your engine if the K&N isn't stopping it.
a K&N will get you a .12 boost in your ET time in the 1/4
air filters come in two types
paper or foam
paper traps the dust on the surface while foam traps it thoughout the filter allowing it to breath better longer.
also foam filters don't swell in heat and humidity.
and no way does a K&N give you 20HP.....
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Car: 84 Firebird & 85 Firebird
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Last summer I was talking to my cousin who goes to UTI about K&N filters. He told me that they put K&N filters in a brand new Firebird, Camaro, and Mustang and put the cars on a dyno. He said that there was only a 2-3 hp gain in each of the cars. He told me that he ended up taking his K&N filter out of his 92 Camaro because he saw how much dirt was getting past the filter.
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