9 Bolt Rearend Information
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Car: 02 WS6 White/Ebony
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Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: Stock 3.42
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Wow, lots of useful information there. Thanks for taking the time to give so much info.
Any idea what model Vauxhall's had the axle fitted?
I changed the wheel bearings some time ago and there still seems too much endplay. You can hear a 'clonk' with the rear raised from the ground when you pull/push the wheel. There seems to be no adjustment on the rear bearings unlike the front ones. Any ideas?
Thanks
Simon
Any idea what model Vauxhall's had the axle fitted?
I changed the wheel bearings some time ago and there still seems too much endplay. You can hear a 'clonk' with the rear raised from the ground when you pull/push the wheel. There seems to be no adjustment on the rear bearings unlike the front ones. Any ideas?
Thanks
Simon
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Car: 02 WS6 White/Ebony
Engine: LS1
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: Stock 3.42
No but I found on a jensen-healey site that they used the rear in they're vehicles and they listed a vauxhall part number for service parts for the rears. I'd love for somebody in the UK to find out more about parts availablity on various models (hint, hint, hint). I've had basically no luck with Australian sources or vendors so maybe one of you guys can help. Here's a link to the site with the Jensen info: http://www.web-masters.com/gms/rear_axle.html
NOTICE that that diff carrier is a 2 pinion design, not the better 4 pinion design used in our cars. But it's a good lead.
As for your endplay, I'd check that the bearing retainers are pressed on far enough or that the axle splines or side gear splines aren't excessively worn. Miles (88427camaro) is VERY wise of these rears so I'd definately ask him.
Good Luck!
Draino
NOTICE that that diff carrier is a 2 pinion design, not the better 4 pinion design used in our cars. But it's a good lead.
As for your endplay, I'd check that the bearing retainers are pressed on far enough or that the axle splines or side gear splines aren't excessively worn. Miles (88427camaro) is VERY wise of these rears so I'd definately ask him.
Good Luck!
Draino
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Car: 87 aniv vert, 90 Iroc, 87 LT
Engine: LB9, LB9, carbed 305
Transmission: MM5, MM5 conversion, MM5 conversion
Axle/Gears: 3.45, 3.73, 3.73
draino, ok heres a question for ya, if i have a posi carrier with a 2.77 gear on it, and i have a 3.27 gear set. will the 3.27's (or 3.45's) fit on the 2.77 carrier. or did they have different series like in a ten bolt?
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Car: 02 WS6 White/Ebony
Engine: LS1
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: Stock 3.42
No they won't work. Just like most other rears they are a different series. The 2.77 and 3.08 use a different carrier than the 3.27, 3.45, & 3.70 gears that were available in our cars and 3.23, 3.73, 3.90, and 4.10 gears available at www.diffsolutions.com. As far as I know Miles is the only vendor working on offering a ring gear spacer but I don't believe it's available yet.
Good Luck!
Draino
Good Luck!
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Originally posted by drain89
No they won't work. Just like most other rears they are a different series. The 2.77 and 3.08 use a different carrier than the 3.27, 3.45, & 3.70 gears that were available in our cars and 3.23, 3.73, 3.90, and 4.10 gears available at www.diffsolutions.com. As far as I know Miles is the only vendor working on offering a ring gear spacer but I don't believe it's available yet.
Good Luck!
Draino
No they won't work. Just like most other rears they are a different series. The 2.77 and 3.08 use a different carrier than the 3.27, 3.45, & 3.70 gears that were available in our cars and 3.23, 3.73, 3.90, and 4.10 gears available at www.diffsolutions.com. As far as I know Miles is the only vendor working on offering a ring gear spacer but I don't believe it's available yet.
Good Luck!
Draino
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Drain,
I have e-mailed a couple of guys with Jensen Healeys to see if they can help. I have printed out info from that link to a Jensen Healey site you quoted earlier and will take it to a Vauxhall garage when I get time to see if the part numbers mean anything to them.
What parts specifically are you after that you cannot get in the US? Have you contacted the manufacturers in Australia for details of distributors?
Simon
I have e-mailed a couple of guys with Jensen Healeys to see if they can help. I have printed out info from that link to a Jensen Healey site you quoted earlier and will take it to a Vauxhall garage when I get time to see if the part numbers mean anything to them.
What parts specifically are you after that you cannot get in the US? Have you contacted the manufacturers in Australia for details of distributors?
Simon
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Car: 02 WS6 White/Ebony
Engine: LS1
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: Stock 3.42
I'll probably buy a 4.10, or preferrably 3.90 ring and pinon set.
Instead of paying the price for 9 bolt parts, I'd rather find a used dana 44.
Instead of paying the price for 9 bolt parts, I'd rather find a used dana 44.
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thanks for mentioning my name.
Now I am offering 2 different methods of selling shims to tighten your posi carrier.
first is by individual shim. If you know what thickness you need, I can get pratically any thickness desired.
However most people have no idea, and you really can't decide until you pull it apart, so I decided the best way is just to sell an assortment of like 15 shims. Then you can play with them and see what fits best according to how much wear your cones and carrier has.
So please contact me directly for pricing and availability info.
Larry
Now I am offering 2 different methods of selling shims to tighten your posi carrier.
first is by individual shim. If you know what thickness you need, I can get pratically any thickness desired.
However most people have no idea, and you really can't decide until you pull it apart, so I decided the best way is just to sell an assortment of like 15 shims. Then you can play with them and see what fits best according to how much wear your cones and carrier has.
So please contact me directly for pricing and availability info.
Larry
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ever considered sending miles an email ??????????? maybe he could hook you up with his supplier in aus (just a thought )
at least that would mean gears could be shipped direct to uk instead !
at least that would mean gears could be shipped direct to uk instead !
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Car: 02 WS6 White/Ebony
Engine: LS1
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: Stock 3.42
Thanks for checking Simon. I had no luck in finding used gears for a good price from aus either? Since I'm in the states I'm gonna go with miles. I agree with ausrs though, I'd call miles and see if he can hook you up with his supplier that way you can get them as reasonably as you can in the UK.
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I'm not after any parts at the moment and only will be if something goes wrong. Thanks though.
From experience of shipping parts from the US to the UK it is very expensive you have to consider brokerage charges, duty charge, sales tax charge and the cost of shipping itself. Returning goods is not an economical option if there is a problem. I'm not sure if all these apply to you but it is worth considering if its all worth it or swopping to an axle with easy parts availability in the US is better.
I know very little about axles but I see the name Moser come up quite often with the few people that have Camaros here which I think is a modified Ford axle and parts for them are the easiest to obtain or so I'm told
Cheers
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From experience of shipping parts from the US to the UK it is very expensive you have to consider brokerage charges, duty charge, sales tax charge and the cost of shipping itself. Returning goods is not an economical option if there is a problem. I'm not sure if all these apply to you but it is worth considering if its all worth it or swopping to an axle with easy parts availability in the US is better.
I know very little about axles but I see the name Moser come up quite often with the few people that have Camaros here which I think is a modified Ford axle and parts for them are the easiest to obtain or so I'm told
Cheers
Simon
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Car: 02 WS6 White/Ebony
Engine: LS1
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: Stock 3.42
You're welcome Doc. Are you referring to Art Hauser? I didn't know he carried 9 bolt parts, but I'll call him and see what he's got and what kind of prices he has.
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Sorry Dwain, I was meaning http://www.hauserracing.co.uk/ in the UK. I´ve seen them advertised in numerous US and custom car mags over here.
I hadn´t heard of Art Hauser before, but if you find that he stocks anything for 9-bolts then let us know.
Gordon
I hadn´t heard of Art Hauser before, but if you find that he stocks anything for 9-bolts then let us know.
Gordon
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Transmission: still there - very stockish TH700
Originally posted by SIMON HOLTBY
I changed the wheel bearings some time ago and there still seems too much endplay. You can hear a 'clonk' with the rear raised from the ground when you pull/push the wheel. There seems to be no adjustment on the rear bearings unlike the front ones. Any ideas?
I changed the wheel bearings some time ago and there still seems too much endplay. You can hear a 'clonk' with the rear raised from the ground when you pull/push the wheel. There seems to be no adjustment on the rear bearings unlike the front ones. Any ideas?
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Thanks z that turned out to be my problem also. I used my adjustment tool (hammer) and vice to correct the fault making it concave to make sure all was tight.
I bet Camaros are a rare sight in Poland like the UK?
Thanks
Simon
I bet Camaros are a rare sight in Poland like the UK?
Thanks
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Originally posted by SIMON HOLTBY
I bet Camaros are a rare sight in Poland like the UK?
I bet Camaros are a rare sight in Poland like the UK?
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I got this in a response to an e-mail sent to Street Machine magazine in regards to the 9-bolt articles:
Street Machine ran a Borg Warner diff rebuild feature over the July/August and the September 1998 issues.
From Craig Parker @ Street Machine
Back issues are available here;
We have back issues available online. Please click on the following link to order online.
http://magshop.com.au/Product.asp?ProductID=2293
. Please note that we do allow 28 working days, that's approximately 4 - 6 weeks for delivery of all back issues.
Check out the new Magshop F.A.Q by following the link!
http://magshop.com.au/HelpFAQ.asp
Street Machine ran a Borg Warner diff rebuild feature over the July/August and the September 1998 issues.
From Craig Parker @ Street Machine
Back issues are available here;
We have back issues available online. Please click on the following link to order online.
http://magshop.com.au/Product.asp?ProductID=2293
. Please note that we do allow 28 working days, that's approximately 4 - 6 weeks for delivery of all back issues.
Check out the new Magshop F.A.Q by following the link!
http://magshop.com.au/HelpFAQ.asp
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misinformation
not for nothing, and I have never read that particle magazine before.
other mags, like some corvette mags, and other GM only mags have MIS-information loaded into their articles. some of the technical stuff is so far off base, it's a joke. Seems like the writers are just regular car guys like most of us, who just so happen to write articles in there spare time.
so be careful about what you read.
The 9-bolt article posted here by hunter is pretty good, and so is the GM service manual. both combined make great information to rebuild a rear.
other mags, like some corvette mags, and other GM only mags have MIS-information loaded into their articles. some of the technical stuff is so far off base, it's a joke. Seems like the writers are just regular car guys like most of us, who just so happen to write articles in there spare time.
so be careful about what you read.
The 9-bolt article posted here by hunter is pretty good, and so is the GM service manual. both combined make great information to rebuild a rear.
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Car: 1999 Z28
Engine: LS1
Transmission: 6 Speed
Axle/Gears: 9" 4.11 Truetrac
didnt see it mentioned but, Ford uses the 9 bolt center section in their Escapes and Mazda Tributes. probably not hte heavy duty M78 tho.
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An update for the Street Machine Magazines.
They are no longer available..never got mine after waiting a few months.
Question about the 9-bolt - does it use the same u-joint retaining straps and bolts as the 10-bolt rears?
If not anyone have part numbers for the bolts/retaining straps?
They are no longer available..never got mine after waiting a few months.
Question about the 9-bolt - does it use the same u-joint retaining straps and bolts as the 10-bolt rears?
If not anyone have part numbers for the bolts/retaining straps?
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