Link and Thread Suggestions Needed for the Prom Burning Guide Book and FAQ

[3.8TransAM]

This is here as a reference to enable forum users to voice suggestions and post thread links for consideration into the Prom Burning Guide Book and FAQ (The Prom Tuning Guide Book and FAQ: Common Questions and Answers) I need working links for Gurmpy's Tuning 101 and some for $60 code applications and threads as well as working links to both of the above. Also trying to put together a vendor links listing in the appropriate chapters and also possibly a whole vendors addendum at some point. We need your cooperation, as you all well know the "search function" is not exactly healthy at this point and time. Both Rbob and I have had issues attempting to find some old posts. Please make sure you include a valid link when you post your suggestion, it will be appreciated and reviewed for inclusion. Thank You The Mod Squad

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[Denis.V]

Hi Mod Squad,

I'd suggest an Introduction about reading, at first, what the car is doing previous to start with modifications. It only was my experiencie: I started with modifications before to scann the ECM.

For this Introduction you can extracts parts from the TRAX article and Craig Moates web site included in this guide.

Note that I don't know if this suggest is off topic because if the car owner agree with his car is doing, he don't needs this guide...


Denis V.

[JP86SS]

a.) Understanding your system and its parts

Maybe use http://www.chevythunder.com (my favorite)
and/or similar TPI/TBI sites

b.) Scan tools and seeing what is going on

http://www.supportfitness.com/mark/tunerpro/
http://www.ttspowersystems.com
Add others ....

c.) Identify your system control
http://www.diy-efi.org/gmecm/
http://www.cruzers.com/~ludis/p4xref.html
http://www.efitune.com/broadcast_codes/

d.) Links to information on processor
http://www.dewtronics.com/cgi-bin/motorola.pl?

e.) Links to Documents and Hacs ?
http://sunflower.com/~leroy/P4/
http://www.geocities.com/ecmguy.geo/bruce/prog_101.html (probly have that already)
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EDIT ADDED : http://www.diy-efi.org/gmecm/ecm_inf...730/qanda.html
nice writup that shouldn't be lost in the shuffle.
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f.) Links to file locations
ftp://ftp.diy-efi.org/pub/gmecm/bin_lib/
... Moates, and others

I don't know if putting specific link up is "allowed" or wanted because you may not want to seem like you're advertising for products.
Scan tool questions seem to come up too much for the subject. If there was a listing of as many or all known products, the user can choose and it wouldn't be biased.
Jp

[3.8TransAM]

Thanks JP86SS,

Thats exactly the kind of stuff we are looking for. We do plan on making as many links as possible work. Whether it be for commercial or freeware as long as said product is in good standing in the community we plan to include it and not play favorites. We already do since we are the DIY PROM board lol.

Thanks for the links, they will be checked out and reviewed and hopefully posted into the appropriate link/chapter.

Now, where is everyone elses wish list and articles? :-)

We know they are out there and with the search engine here at thirdgen of questionable health, we need your help.

later and thanks
Jeremy

[Z69]

This one has a few good links in it. And I'll stop messing with my patch eventually and paste the code.
Tables

Good src info
Registers
Op Code maps

This may already exist. And I've never looked specifically for it. But there are a lot of what bcc ? posts.
A short list of what bin goes to what car might be helpful.
A general comment of "latest F body 350 A4" or similar maybe.

[3.8TransAM]

Anybody have a collection of links for all the differetn ALDL cables that are floating around?

Especially the wirign diagrams and troubleshooting charts for said connectors as well?

thanks
Jeremy

Keep ideas and links coming people, this wont happen overnite, but will continue to grow.

[JP86SS]

I did a search and just came across a nice writeup by Vader.
Seems like something that shouldn't be lost in the shuffle.

http://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/show...hreadid=186463 (idle problem still persists)

Maybe rename it as "coolant temp" or something.

[3.8TransAM]

Just wanted to say thanks guys. We appreicate the input and while I have been adding material as I come across it and have time, I havent forgotten about the stuff in this link.

It will get categorized and added as I sift thru it and get time to paste it in the Guide Book

Added this week: All BCC(broadcast) codes from the FAQ are included so no one needs to ask what prom/chip is in my car.

Also Mangus excellent reply to some issues I was having w/ emulating/datalogging on one laptop and all the current options available.

Thanks
Jeremy

[3.8TransAM]

http://thirdgen.org/techbb2/showthre...hreadid=293764

MAF users the above post is for you.

All of Rbob's accumulate knowledge from his own posts on MAF setups here.

later
Jeremy

[JP86SS]

I think we've forgotten the obvious...

Where are the files !!!

http://www.moates.net/fileman/
ftp://ftp.diy-efi.org/pub/gmecm/bin_lib/
http://tunerpro.markmansur.com/ (under Downloads)

I'm sure there are others, These are the most familiar to me.

[Z69]

I got this one e-mailed to me the other day for a searchable bin list.

bin search

[HydraQuest]

http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~dzug/92z2...0-vss4T56.html

Link to info on changing VSS for T56 swap.

[3.8TransAM]

Okay guys,

Added in the appicable stuff.

Thanks for the info and try to post up any new links or get threads you find in your journeys.

An few might go into either/or chaopter so make sure you check the whole Guide Book before you say I left it out :-)

thanks
Jeremy

[Z69]

A couple links for crank fuel
Cold start ?

I didn't see this one in the final answer section
Start Routine Final answer

[JP86SS]

I have to say this has come together nicely
Much more informative and easy to find.
Good job guys.

[3.8TransAM]

Yes, well I , Rbob and Glenn certainly try lol

It was a pia to actually verify all the links as I added them and expanded the original stickies into chapters. Trax left us a good base to work of of and as we expand it, it will only get better.

If you have comments and link/thread suggestions, thats what this post is here for.

thanks to all those who contributed and for the kind words

later
Jeremy

[Z69]

58 Egr fix (Betas Wanted for 60 work)

58 WB

3 Bar Patch

Could a Vats something be added?
Doubt it will cut down on the questions though

[3.8TransAM]

hmmm Some more nice posts to add :-)

When I get a cance this weekend consider them added.

If they are any concrete VATS posts i will link them, but be warned, we dont want to give away to much VATS inof if u catch my drift :-)

Hmm I'll also check about the wideband patches for the 165 and 730, but i think they are linked already.

later
Jeremy

[Z69]

I don't know where to put this one.

Another Rbob jewel

And a good Vats post still proves to be MIA.
I did find a good "why would I?" post.
Stumble over them all the time while looking for other things.

[3.8TransAM]

Note to self:

Add this to sticky

http://thirdgen.org/techbb2/showthre...hreadid=303684

[Warlock]

Some links I am fond of:
Programming the 730
http://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/show...highlight=p730 (P730: Part Throttle Fuel Tuning (no PE))

http://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/show...highlight=p730 (P730 - Octane Retard Routine and how to control it better)

http://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/show...highlight=p730 (Tuning the Timing)

http://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/show...highlight=p730 (WOT%Change to fuel/air ratio vs rpm question?)

Can I use the 730 stuff on a 165?

http://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/show...ght=tuning+165 (Couple quick 165 tuning questions)

[3.8TransAM]

http://thirdgen.org/techbb2/showthre...hreadid=304866

note to self: excellent guide for tunerpro and table explanations.

[JP86SS]

This will come in handy and should be tossed in the 730 section.
http://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/show...hreadid=305477 (Launch Mode!)

Got me rethinking how to get some of that function into $8D (needs to be able to subtract SA as well though)

[JP86SS]

To go under the source code section
730 $8D I/O Addressing
http://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/show...01#post2150901

Couldn't find it when I was looking.

[3.8TransAM]

Update to current post :-)

thanks guys/gals.

Note: If u give me the original post name and link, I can add them quicker to the main tuning guide.

If not, it waits until one of us has the time to sort and check links with names, etc..

later
Jeremy

[3.8TransAM]

All updates of note included.

Added section for small amount of info that I can gather for the Computer Controlled Car (CCC) stuff

later
Jeremy

[Warlock]

Suggestion: Include the words "BCC" and "Broadcast Code" for the "Bin Search Engine". It took me a while to find the site in my old notes because I was not smart enough to look for "Bin"

[3.8TransAM]

Please do not post links of yours to add if they are already included in the sticky.

Lots of questions on socketing boards for flash chips lately.

Could you swing them up on here as you come acoss them so I can add them to the Guide?

thanks
Jeremy

[JP86SS]

Low Z Injector mod on 749
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/p-928/749mods.html

[yager]

Just some random thoughts... that have helped me out...

Like finally reading that ALL hardware for 7747 ECMs are the same. (and 8746) ECM code is slighly different.. (now it makes complete sense, and how could i even have questioned that ) but at the time it didnt make sense..

a different PROM is just a different TUNE and the same masks are interchangeable..

More updates on OLD posts/topics...

Elec. fan on 8746/7747 I see mentions of 'testing' in 2002..... but no followups that i can find...

Any other cool hacking updates ? or have you senior guys moved on to newer (faster) ECMs....

Any comments on the difference (history?) of the .ECU vs the .XDF.. are they the same but different. Ive tried to decifer this from all ive read with no luck.

Do some just free edit the bin pencil/paper with Hex editor?

I'm trying to come up to speed with my AUToPROM and RTuner setup and half the time im not even sure im loading the right files at the right time...

Still love the site, learn somthing every visit here..... Thanks -mike

[3.8TransAM]

I have a lost link that people have continued to ell me about.

The "Tuning the Timing" link is dead and for whatever reason I have not been able to relocate.

Someone have it in working order for me to repair?

Please send link to myself or Rbob

later
Jeremy

[JP86SS]

Found this linked to an old thread.
Has some "actual" data on changing o2 constants in $8D.
http://thirdgen.org/techbb2/showthre...hreadid=311190

[JP86SS]

Info for the section 11 "Misc" area.
http://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/show...hreadid=346332 (speedo calibration?)

[Z69]

I found this some how or another.

Nice explaination of the o2 windows and what they are for.
I didn't see them in the links already.

I really could use some advice...

See the last few posts....

[JP86SS]

Good info to add.

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/di...k-advance.html (730 cold spark advance issues.)

$8D Cold SA explaination and why some have problems.
Thanks to Scott for that.

[_Twisted_]

Originally Posted by 3.8TransAM

This is here as a reference to enable forum users to voice suggestions and post thread links for consideration into the Prom Burning Guide Book and FAQ

I need working links for Gurmpy's Tuning 101 and some for $60 code applications and threads as well as working links to both of the above.

Also trying to put together a vendor links listing in the appropriate chapters and also possibly a whole vendors addendum at some point.

We need your cooperation, as you all well know the "search function" is not exactly healthy at this point and time. Both Rbob and I have had issues attempting to find some old posts.

Please make sure you include a valid link when you post your suggestion, it will be appreciated and reviewed for inclusion.

Thank You
The Mod Squad

the link to the guide is not valid, at least that is the message I receive

[Nitsuj86Iroc]

I think this post may be worth adding:

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/di...highlight=apys (Updated from $32 to $6E, ALDL vehicle speed off?)

They discussed why the speedometer reading and datalogged reading were different. Also how the speedo cable works, sends a reading to the ECM, and how it controls the speedo needle. Then he found a way to self calibrate the actual speedo needle with success. I would imagine that this is a popular issue with people, it is with me!

[rhuarc31]

How bout this gem i dug up out of some old bookmarks
http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/di...ome-those.html (How to fix some of those common idle issues (big cam, surging, stalls, etc.))

[JP86SS]

A must add for chapter 7.

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/di...-101-step.html (PCM hacking 101 - The step by step approach)