HI all, I am looking to install an electric hatch relese in my 92 RS. I have been looking all over the place for the pull down motor with the relese. Am I missing somthing? I see all kinds of the older model with a release. Is there a seperate solonoid for this?

Go to TopDown Solutions. That's where I bought mine from a year ago and still working great!

Hope this helps:
http://www.top-downsolutions.com/index.php?cPath=22

I was actualy looking for the Automatic unlock selonoid to add to mine. I did not see it there.


Thanks Though.

The late 91-92 hatch pull-down units don't have a electric solenoid hatch release. They can have an optional hatch release button, but it functions to start the up cycle of the hatch pull-down unit. As the unit powers up and reaches near the end of the up cycle there is a lever on the back of the unit that contacts a ramp causing it to rotate and release the hatch hook. At that point there is a spring that pops the hatch hook free of the hatch pull-down unit.

Lon

That explains a lot. So All I need to do is install the switch? I did notice there were a couple of wires laying inside the center console that went to nothing.

Thanks for the info.

Install a switch , yes. I can't answer if the wiring is already there or not. If you don't have one already I really advise that you purchase a 1992 Camaro Service manual. It will answer all your questions regarding what the color coding of the wires you'll need to find to plug that switch into. The manual is about 3 " thick and very heavy. You used to be able to buy them from the dealer. They are now available from Helm Inc at www.helminc.com.

Lon

Thanks again Lon, I will check on the FSM.

Well, I found the wiring, it was already there. It is not hot though. Is there a relay or somthing that is used for the hatch relese?

check your fuse box to make sure theres a fuse in it. someone may have pulled it out for some reason or it could be blowed

Maybe this will help

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/el...ch-issues.html (having some hatch issues)

He has a 92 hatch pull,-down. Linking to a post that discussed a 1986-earlky 91 pull down won't help his late 91-92 pull-down motor. The two are entirely different. The only common part is the gearnut.

Lon

So anyway, back to the question. Is there a relay involved in this hatch relese switch?

Yes.

Any thoughts on where it's at?

i have one of these pulldown assemblies in my camaro but it was damaged by the stupid person that i bought it from is there anyway of rigging something so that i wouldnt have to have the pulldown motor but the hatch will stay down tight?

If you owned a late 91-92 Camaro or Firebird you could just get the slam latch from a late 91-92 F-body convertbile. However, you indicated you have a 90 Camaro, which has the older style pull-down. Yes you can continue to take the patch the previous owner started and choose not to properly repair the pull-down unit.

I don't make such a "conversion kit". However if I did it would contain chewing gum, baling wire, drywall screws, duct tape, bungee cords, pop-rivets, fishing line, screws & bolts, epoxy, wood stick, welding wire and speaker wire. Yes I'm making fun of the subject of converting it to a slam latch, but to be serious for a moment I've seen all these items used with the possible exception of chewing gum to kludge a motorized pull-down motor into a slam latch. There are many people on this forum that think this is a great idea and can help you acheive your goal. I'm not one of them.

Lon

its just that i have a money problem and some of the sites that i have looked at for the entire assembly it would cost somewere around 300 bucks and that is not acceptable right now its a project car anyways it sits in my yard so im not too concerned about it but there must be something i can do to make it a cheap fix

if you need a hatch pulldown motor, I will sell you and extra one I have, it fits 91.5 to 92 for 30.00, motor/Assembly only or complete assem with reverse switch. for 100.00, it only sounds like you need the motor though, if you just want a slam hatch, no motor for the 91.5 to 92 I have that also for 30.00, there hard to find now, PM me if interested. Thanks

Since you haven't described what is wrong with your (again I'm assuming based on your profile 1988 to early 91 style) pull-down unit, I can't tell you if it is a cheap repair or not. Here's where to start. Read the tech article I wrote on repairing the 86-87 & 88-91 style pull-down units: http://www.thirdgen.org/tech/hatchpulldown.pdf

Now you'll have some knowledge of what parts you'll need to replace. I have all the parts available on my web site.

My apologies that this topic has strayed from the original questions regarding a late 91-92 pull-down unit. They are compeltely different animals, sharing just one part, the gear nut.

Lon

Try your local wrecking yard. The one I go to has 4 of them with pull downs.

Found my missing relese block on your site.

Thanks

The solution was, there is a relay under the center console(mine was not installed). It's hooked to the switch wiring.

You got the button to work, but you might want to see if you can find the ramp that goes in the back of the unit. Otherwise, you will push the button, and the hatch will go up then back down. I just made my own.

I'm in the same hole. I have a 92 Firebird that has the wiring for the hatch release behind the bezel just above the radio. I purchased a bezel that includes the hatch release and it plugs right in. However, no go with simple plug and play.

3wheelnuts speaks of a relay under the center console, can anybody elaborate?

Very Very Very much appreciated!!

Brian

No help out there?

I can tell you where to find the answer, but it will require a worthwhile investment. Purchase a 1992 Camaro Service Manual on eBay or from www.helminc.com.

All the wiring schematics, diagnostic information and component location drawings are within this roughly 3" thick nearly 6 lb book. I own one for my 88 Firebird, 88 Camaro and 90 Camaro. I also bought one for the 91 Firebird only because I sell parts for it too and there were changes between the 88 and 91 headlight wiring.

Unfortunately I don't own a 1992 Camaro and can't afford to buy a service manul for every conceivable make and model vehicle I sell parts for. Sorry.

If someone wants to donate one to me I'll share the answer. OK someone out there with a 1992 Camaro Service Manual chime in here with the answer. If it were me, and I planned to keep the car, I'd make the investment.

Lon

I don'thave a service manual, but in my car, I found the socket for the relay in the center console. I put the relay in, and it worked. I just needed the ramp for it to unlatch.

chevydrvr, I assume your car is a Camaro? I'm finding that they're a little different. I just can't find where the relay goes in a 92 Firebird. I found other threads here that showed it being just under the passenger side dash, and I DID find a connector not connected to anything, but the relay I was told to buy does not fit, and here I am once again, at a dead end.

Yeah, my car is a camaro. SOrry I wasn't sure if there was any difference.

It's not a problem. I appreciate your input regardless.

Just hoping someone else on here knows the answer.

I DID IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just in case anyone ever stumbles on the same issue I did: here ya go.


1992 Firebird
The relay harness is basically behind the map pocket on the passenger side. You have to remove the lower part of the dash with 3 or 4 7mm screws, the middle part of the dash (just below the map pocket) with 3 or 4 7mm screws, then a computer module with 2 7mm screws. Then you'll see the harness. If you reach up behind it and pull it down just enough, you can easily get that relay in there. It is known as a Trunk Release Relay AND also a Horn Relay, same thing. I paid 8 bucks for it at Autozone.

Right now, when the button is pressed, the hatch cycles up and then immediately right down. But I'm SO happy that the button does something now!!!!!

Lon, I ordered the latch release block and can't wait to get it!!!!!!!!!!!

Hope this will eventually help somebody out