Token

Me and my friend Jon did his dad's brakes this morning, then we were like "hey let's go rent an engine hoist and pull that motor." We did. It was a LOT easier than I had imagined it would be. Just disconnecting things was the stupid part. I ended up dropping my crossmember though because hey, when you have impact tools does it really matter? Three seconds and it was off.

When I pulled the transmission off, we lifted the engine on to it's balancer pulley and I quickly heard loose metal. I started laughing. I tore the oil pan off. I quickly saw the hole on the side of it, and continued. Inside I found two snapped to hell rods, and one twisted rod that was preventing the motor from completing a turn. I also saw a few broken piston skirts, and chunks of the block missing.

Here are the pictures from my afternoon...


Myself and the new engine, see signature


The hood was in the way


Almost out!


Look at that!


Inspecting; amazed at how bad I treated this engine.






Rest in peace, small block Chevy, 305 TBI. (Good riddance)

MasterEvilAce

Congrats!

Ions91Z28

Shave hippie.

AutoX86Z28

awesome, now wasnt it easier taking them both out at once


whens the 350 going in?

AutoX86Z28

NICE BUICK LOL

Token

lol Matt, I'm lazy and I spend most of my free time drinking. I don't need a damn razor.





carlover, the 350 is going in pretty soon. Maybe tomorrow. That 86 Buick is definitely riced out. I've spraypainted TYPE-R on it and VTEC on the sides and POWERED BY HONDA on the hood. The exhaust tip is a Chef Boyardee can. I'll take pics later







broken rods are fun

Air_Adam

They also make great trophies for the shop wall !!

Token

I'll make a trophy out of some scrap wood at a later date I also have the first cam I pulled that I've saved too

86z/92rs

What type of induction will you be using on the 350 set up? Carb, tbi?

88Camaro350

Did the motor and tranny come out together pretty easily? I am about to do that myself. I have changed a motor...and a tranny and it is easier to pull a motor. Since I don't have a lift I plan on pulling them out at the same time. Gonna do some painting/cleaning while I wait for the cash for a TCI street fighter th350.

Token

An Edelbrock 600 cfm carb, 1406

Token

Oh they came out so easilly together. I spilled ATF everywhere though. Note to future pullers, DRAIN THE TRANNY TOO.

Token

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Today I began doing menial tasks, such as cleaning and painting headers, degreasing the tranny and inspection plate, mating the engine to the tranny and new converter, replacing transmission filter, cleaning the engine bay, wiping down my tools, and shopping for parts. I then killed time until 9:30pm and by 1000 watt spotlight, me and my buddy put the new engine and tranny back into the car.


THE BIGGEST PITA was trying to get the driveshaft on and the torque arm in at the same time as the engine/tranny was pushed back. We fought with it for an hour before we realized the tranny dip stick was in the way. I even cut my heater core line, what fun that will be to replace.


Anyway, on with the pics!


Semi-cleaned engine bay, sometime in the afternoon


Setting the engine/tranny in the bay, just to get a glimpse


Me, about 20 minutes ago at 1am tired but victorious as the engine is secured in place.

Ramair21

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seems like you got your work cut out for you. Post more pics YO!!!!

DOomSwitch

Ha ha Dude, you are always getting into something nobody else can get into. Nice job.

Token

Here are the headers, VHT ultra flameproof (1200-2000F) aluminum... four coats.





Then the tranny filter, $9.95 at AutoZone, plus the $15 for ATF makes one satisfied transmission I hope.

Ramair21

iTrader: (3)

The headers and tranny looks super clean bro. Are you going to put a shift kit in it?

Token

Nah, I was putting a servo in it but I can't find it. My dad might have tossed it. I've had it for two years and never put it in. Oh well, I at least cleaned the cap off and I know how to do it now.

rjmcgee

For future referance you can unbolt the driveline and unhook the torque arm much easier than trying to start both of them at the same time.

Work smarter not harder.

Token

I noticed this about half way into it, and said "hey, f**k it, lets keep pushing"

speedingpenguin

iTrader: (1)

damn you! damn you I say! LOL
To do whats taken you a matter of days, I've been working on for MONTHS.
Not because the work is hard or anything, just lack of $$$ to buy the stuff I need to put the new engine in, LOL
Looks good though :-)

my3rdgen

I feel for you. Its been 2 years since I put my 87 T/A up on stands and pulled the motor. The new 355 is in there, hope to fire it up this weekend (For the second time. Cam went flat on first fire last fall). My biggest obstacle is lack of time. I have everything needed to complete the restoration, except time.

speedingpenguin

iTrader: (1)

hahaha
you help me, i'll help you
I've got pleanty of time and no money.......so you give me some money (Not much, a few hundred bucks will get me running again), i'll work on your car for a week


Right now i just need a torque converter, which should be fairly soon, but i'm afraid of what all the little stuff i'll need is gonna cost (Sold the serpentine setup for money for the transmission, and with only 2 real "accessories" (alternator and power steering pump), no real need for it.)
Right now I know I need:
Pulleys
Brackets
Hoses/fuel line
Tranny cooling line
misc. other stuff

Oh well, back on topic

MrDude_1

WHOA!

you look EXACTLY like one of my brothers friends... i mean exactly like him..

creepy.

Token

haha I'm 5'7" and 135... is he as little?

Tibo

iTrader: (15)

Did you paint your car to match the engine hoist? Nice work on the engine, and hoist!

Token

haha Tibo, I rented that for an outrageous $45/day. I was late returning it too so I got charged THREE days instead of two. I should have just bought one.



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exhaust is all complete, accessories are on, distributor is on. I may have to re-set valve lash though. I have to wire up the starter because the terminals are different sizes ('92 305 to an '88 350... they were different??? WHY.) and run a fuel route. I need the proper fittings and I'm frustrated that nobody carries the right sizes. Also, the radiator has to be reinstalled and the ATF filled. I need to do a bunch more junk to get this show on the road... But hey, it looks great!

sellmanb

Awsome progress Token. We're at about the same place right now it looks like...


Oh, and I KNOW I wrote in a post to make sure you drain the tranny before you pull the motor and tranny as a combo cuz it would drain through the tailshaft... so here's my "toldjaso"


BTW, do you know how many quarts of ATF we need for the 700R4's?


What do you mean by needing to run a fuel route? Make a fuel line? I had to do that ... not fun! Not fun at all! You'll need a 30" piece. And if your fuel pump and carb have the same fittings as stock, then it'll be a 3/8" NPT... NAPA carries them as "brake lines".

It took me 3 different pieces to get it right. I got a 20" and after making a couple bends (with the tubing bender) I realized I'd need bigger. So I got a 40" and soon realized that not only did I bend something backwards, but that the piece was way too long. 30" was just right.... but honestly, it'd be easier just to go to the junkyard and get one... it should be the same on any LG4 or L69 engine... which include the Caprices and tons of other cars that got the LG4.

Hope you get that beast on the road soon!

Token

lol yep, you did. I remember
I'm guessing somewhere around 14 quarts to fill a 700r4. I bought three gallons (12 qts) and I'll see where that puts me.

The fuel line, I am just using rubber hoses. I just need to get those fittings that go into my Mallory FPR, and I have noooo idea what size they are. They didn't have anything that would help me at the hardware store either. I was there for 40 minutes with the lady and she couldn't do anything for me. I need rubber hose fittings, to threaded ends to go into the FPR.

Just a little more to go

sellmanb

Turn this bish over!

And do it on open headers... you gotta, it's uh... a law... new motor = first firing on open exhaust....

if you dont the popo will getcha...

88Camaro350

What do you have the chain attached to? Header bolt holes?

I am wondering because I am about to put my motor and trans in today. Hopefully.

Token

I had it bolted to many things- the head bolts are probably the safest route though. If you must, I used the intake bolts. I'd really rather not do that though- it's scary.

paulo57509

I must be getting OLD. Just looking at those photos and imagining all the hours you guys are putting in makes me tired.

Good job!

Your driveway looks like a candidate for the EPA Superfund list.

84RIceEater

haha it all looks like fun....

formula350sd

iTrader: (2)

I dont wanna be a tard but what kind of headers are thoes?

83_Camaro_83

MORE PICTURES!!!!!

Token

Hooker 2055s

88Camaro350

I ended up using the second to last header bolts. With the th350 bolted on it was actually perfectly balanced. The motor is down in the car but not seated right yet. Huge storm hit and I had to get the motor covered up ASAP. Hopefully it will be nice tomorrow so I can get all the mounted put in place.

I was going to take a bunch of pictures but my brother loaned out his digi cam.

I looked at my bare engine bay and it made me realize how much stuff I have cut out. I have SOO much less stuff under the hood than you. Its crazy.

vejatabul

for future refrence, read the directions on the vht paint. it says to put a very light coat on the headers, just enough to add color. otherwise it will blister and flake off when it gets hot. sorry you are going to learn this the hard way. i once painted a set i had with a very light coat and they never flaked.

84RIceEater

yeah... i put on 3 or 4 coats and it smoked all the time and now its all craked and looks wrose than i got it.

o well..

84RIceEater

They look nice after you paint them... but when you put them on you will get grease and oil on them.. lol i remember because i was pisst...

ps..


sorry for double posting.

82knightrider

iTrader: (1)

sweet...Im gonna take my engine out soon and clean the fu$K out of it and install new oil pan pan gasket and motor mounts and some other stuff

looks good man,must of been fun

88Camaro350

Motor mounts are fun. I was going to change mine while the engine was out but it looked as if I would have to have the lower control arms out as well. I don't know why they put nuts on the other side like that.

83ho86tpi

You can get better access by jacking the car up and down to find what gives you the most room to work around in there. I slid a 15 craftsman wrench in there to hold the nut on place while I used a socket driver on the top bolt. Kind of felt like brain surgery trying not to loose the wrench and nuts when they wanted to fall into the middle crossmember. Except there probably is less dirt and rust in brain surgery. Took me 45 minuites to swap mounts. Therer were brass waskers under the nuts (to prevent corosion?) But I lost a few and did not put them back on.

fin170703

great job Token. seeing you take on a job like that gives me the motivation to have a go at it myself. I brought a 83 camaro that im planning to put cam, heads etc so i've decided to pull the motor and check everything while im at it. looking back are you glad you pulled the motor and tranny out at the same time as im unsure wether to pull just the engine? also as a rough idea how long would you say it took to pull them both ?

88Camaro350

I didn't pull mine together but I did install them together. I think it was much easier to install them together. If you have a lift and a real transmission jack then it probably wouldn't be easier. But if you are like me and token and working in our driveway with no lift...then yes it was easier. It took me about 20 minutes to get my motor and trans seated where they need to go.

fin170703

yeah preaty much the same set up as you guys apart from the fact i have a workshop. i have brought an engine lift and also have a few trolley jacks. my original plan was to disconnect the engine from the trannie and support the trannie with a trolley jack , is this possible, but seeing the pictures of token pulling them both out has put question marks in my mind as to the best way to go about it.

p.s sorry to hijack your thread token.

88Camaro350

You can stick a piece of 2x4 and the jack underneath the pan and it will hold it up. Just keep the crossmember connected also. It is pretty simple either way.

83_Camaro_83

88_Import_Slaye

700R4: Put 1 in Torque Converter before you put it on, then put 7 in the pan, then start it, and put in 4 more for a total of 12 quarts.