Nice to see a 3rd Gen at a car show. I've been to about 20+ shows this summer and have seen a grand total of 3, 2 Camaros and a Firebird. Yours looks good sitting there.

 

Thank you, I didn't get a throphy but I normally do, there were 2 other third gens at the show I was at, one was a 91 camaro z28 with a blown 454 under the hood and nothing but chrome under the hood, then a purple 92 rs with a stock 305. I wasn't planning to attend the show but since I did all the work on the cougar and my car my whole family wanted mine there as well. I'm kinda proud of the 68 honestly. Car hasn't ran since 04 when the original 302 slipped a timing chain and he parked it. Well about a month ago I found him a 302 crate motor and dropped it in for him and got it running and drivable again and this was the outcome. Proud of it lol. I thought my car looked good there too, I found a new red on a 68 chevelle. It's 07 Mazda red

 

i like the wheels on the cougar, but i'd like em better on your car

 

the outlaws? Lol those have been on that car for like 22 years. He's wanting something different so I could probably get them.

 

Well my motor and trans is going up for sale. When it sells I'm dropping my other in. Went to a cars show today and got my wire loom for $10, hei dizzy for $5, and spark plug wires with the dizzy.

 

You're better off taking the engine and trans (I'm assuming it's the 2.8) straight to scrap. About the only way those sell is if someone is close and REALLY needs them. Or in pieces. It's not worth the crating and shipping (if someone is far away) for someone to buy them.

If you're going to scrap them, keep in mind that everything above the heads (minus the hardware, dizzy, and the valve covers) is aluminum... Plenum, fuel rail, and intake manifold. Also, if you can get access to the tools, you can gut the trans and sell the aluminum case with the above and the guts (minus the friction plates) with the rest.

 

thats not good news lol. im hoping to get someone interested because of the deal im giving on it, everything from the radiator, back to the tail shaft goes. imcluding the y pipe, computer, and wiring harness.

 

Nobody wants a V6, especially with the 302 ECM and harness (90-92 730 ECM and harness are usually preferred). I've seen plenty just fade away in the Classifieds, and pretty much all of them eventually end up as scrap. Heck, it took me 6 years to get rid of my 700R4, which I'm pretty sure the guy has scrapped now since he's also going V8. And that was because I was lucky. You may or may not get that lucky, to find someone who REALLY needs the stuff near you.

 

 

i thought he already sold it (technically) to someone for there s10, and hey i'd love a good running 2.8 for my friends and i and our lemons car i bet it'd last a good 24 hours if we kept it cool enough

 

It might work for an S10. I'm sure it makes it more attractive that it's an engine from a Camaro. False bragging rights lol.

How many miles are on the 2.8?

 

Had 60k when I pulled it out if the s10, but I went through it so around 4k

 

Well the cars down for awhile, got in an accident today on my way to my grandmas, went to turn down her road and while I was turning I looked at my gauges because my car tried to stall out and when I looked up I had a black ford truck in front of me, ripped my nose in half and messed up my driver side fender. It's pretty nasty. I'll post pictures later but I think this is falling under her though because she didn't have insurance or a lisance

 

damn, that sucks, but yeah definetly her fault

 

Iv got a friend that has a few front ends. I'll look at getting one of those and if I get any money from this I'm going to try and finish my motor off and get it in. No better time to upgrade than now

 

well heres the damage, was going to my grandmas for dinner and the motor kept wanting to act up and idle low and die on me, well as i was turning to go down my grandmas street the car tried to stall so i look at my tach to see where it was sitting, when i looked up i was stairing stright at a black ford truck. shortly after that all i remember is watching my front end explode.

 

and i decided that if the car is going to be down this long that i might as well put my new motor in while im at it so i dont have to worry about messing up the new paint or new bumper as im putting this stuff in. the last pictures is where i stoped tonight on removing stuff.

 

holy cow, you got so lucky for only damaging the bumper. looks like it just missed the hood (big money now) and the fender. but it still sucks all together

 

Wow, you did get lucky. Looks like she only clipped you. Glad you're okay and glad you're only out a front bumper cover! Could've been much worse as far as repairs.

No insurance and didn't have a license? Sounds like a teenager, but who am I to judge. How did she react to smashing into you?

 

yeah now you see why I need the bumper cover lol

 

yeah it could have been worse but still sucks, she didn't hit me I hit her, and I didn't really see her, Like I said I looked at my tach, looked up saw her then saw my front end explode. And she wasn't a teen. Was in her late twenties at least but she was also an immigrant so no license or insurance means not too good on her end

 

You're a 17/18 year old driving a red Camaro.

I'm sure they'll blame you.

 

got alittle work done tonight, got my car on jackstands, got the exhaust loose, shifter cable loose, wiring out from the inside of the car from the computer and moved into the engine bay so i can try to figure out how to seperate it from everything. going to drain the fluids tomorrow, get on the harness, and get the motor ready to pull. below is the picture where i stopped.

 

no by law, if you dont have a license or insurance its automaticly your fault because you shouldnt have been behind the wheel.

 

If you drop the rear axle (you may want to unless you plan on running a pressure regulator because you'll want to find a carbed sending unit, and you probably will need to change the pump anyways), you can take the exhaust out in one piece.

The bulkhead connector for the wiring harness, under the relay block, is held together with a 1/4" bolt. Yes, that's 1/4", as in INCH. If you already got the ECM part of the harness into the engine compartment (IDK how since I never could get that pass-through through that hole), pull the engine, trans and harness as one piece.
YOU WILL NEED TO CUT THE WIPER MOTOR WIRING OUT OF THE ENGINE HARNESS. It's NOT in the front light harness like in the 88+ cars. Actually, don't cut it... Separate the bulkhead connector and pull the terminals for the wiper motor out of it. IDK how much of the harness you plan on using, or if you plan on getting a harness from a carbed car, but you will need to keep the wiper motor harness if you plan on driving the car.

 

it took some perswasion to get the bulk head under the kickpanel through trust me, but im just wanting to strip the ecm wires out, i want to keep my ac, my intake fuel pump, all my gauges, headlights, wipers, everything pretty much minus the computer wireing. do i just take all the wires from the 2 plugs that went to the computer and follow them all the way out of the harness till i can remove them?

 

I meant getting the pass-through through the hole by the blower motor into the engine bay... When I did my swap, I pulled the whole harness except that part through that hole.

I'm not sure how you would work the fuel pump without an ECM, since the ECM runs it, for the most part. You could run it off of the oil pump switch, I guess. Problem with following the ECM wires is that they pass through the pass-through, and they're cemented in there pretty good (they clamp the wires in the 2 halves of the plastic block and then fill the whole SOB with a silicone-like substance that is a PITA to get the wires out of).

I would think you would be better off selling the harness as-is and getting a carbed harness. It would be the right size for the V8, for one, and for 2, you get rid of the fuel injection parts you don't need. Much less cutting. Plus you wouldn't need to worry about the wiper motor wiring since the carb was dropped the year they changed the wiper motor and washer pump to the later style (and you won't have to fight with the goop in the bulkhead connector).

FYI, you might need to check into A/C parts... I don't know if the lines and hoses are different between the V6 and V8 offhand, so you may want to check on that before you do anything.

 

something i learned from having pretty nice looking thirdgens (i think so) is that **** just finds them and happens to them, cant let your guard down driving or things like this happen (stupid finds you and ****s up your day)

 

I'm honestly thinking about just leaving the wiring harness alone (putting it back together) and just ticking the non used plugs away since I'm in a hurry and in a tight spot right now. I could always pick up a carbed harness and have it ready and swap just harness out fast later down the line. But yes the hole near the blower motor was fun trying to squeeze the bulk head through, it required done effort. The ac and everything will bolt in, I got a 87 v belt setup off a 305 and all the accessories are in the same spot and look like they mount the sane so I should be fine

 

that isn't a joke. I guess I got too relaxed because normally I would have seen her but this time I didn't. Idk I'm hunting down a sports coupe nose now. I figure Ill find one, get that perfect natch touch up paint from zone in victory red and paint it and run it like that till I have the money to have it re done correctly

 

also I have the early model wiper motor

 

keep a couple cans of it, i repainted most of my car with it recently front bumper is already chipped and has little nicks in it again, damn interstate

 

hmm half of that is missing, anyways.... i'm waiting for a warm day to just spray it again lol usually stays looking nice for about 6 months with as many miles as i drive

 

trust me im fililier with it sadly, it will work for now, atleast the nose and paint will match you know? will atleast look "decent"

 

aslong as you can match it with what color you had your car painted, if it is torch red, find a vehichle that would have come torch red and ask them to look up paint for it, i look up paint for people all the time, but i refer them to napa to get it mixed and stuff, since the napa is a min away and has a paint shop

 

Yeah victory red matches my paint very well and worked well. I'm suppose to have a member get pictures of a new nose cone for me but I'm also thinking of going to the old 82-84 style nose. They look more aggressive to me and I found one for $100 but it needs turn signals. Do they all have the same turn signals?

 

Need to learn to be like a trucker... Look 10 seconds in front of you (most regulations state 2 for license testing for non-CDL vehicles), and keep eyes everywhere. Proper maintenance and what not is crucial because you need to know how fast you can stop and/or avoid some idiot that's too busy staring at your car (or their radio/coffee/etc) to pay attention to what they're doing.

Anyways, as for the wiper motor and wiring, the harness you have will probably be too short for things like the A/C, oil pressure units, and probably the coolant light/gauge sender. The V8 is several inches longer and that part of the harness goes around the front of the engine (if you haven't already noticed). I'm not entirely sure how the A/C and radiator fan will work without the ECM, since the pressure switches tell the ECM to turn the fan on and off. I need to look and find out. Maybe if you used the fan switch (by the accumulator) to act as a second ground to the fan relay instead of a signal to the ECM, that might work. However, there is still the issue of the idle speed when the compressor kicks in. You would need to set the idle speed high enough so that the engine doesn't stall when the compressor kicks on (the ECM raises the idle speed automatically when the pressure switch closes).

Might want to ask a question or do a search, on the torque converter lockup and how it functions without the ECM, in the Electronics section, unless you plan on running a switch between ALDL A and G to ground the solenoid when you're on the highway (or that engine will drink gas more than usual).

 

I'm going to leave all the wiring alone and the ECM in place for the sake of getting this done.

 

Well, since that's the case, you may want to swap to a 165 ECM so it can be set up to control just the spark advance, A/C, and TCC lockup. All you really need to do that is the ECM and a piece of stiff wire small enough to disengage the locking tabs on the ECM connector terminals. If there were a way, you could use the 302 you already have, but I think the 302 is kind of permanently set up to only be useful for V6 ignition systems. You might check with RBob if you wish on the V6/V8 reference pulse issue to see if there is any way of changing that.

 

do you remember what two sensors are by the fuel tail at the front of the intake?

 

Mods, you know, clicking on the link in my email and ending up several pages before the "Newest" post is getting annoying...

Anyways, the round one is the CTS and the square one is the temp switch for the CSI...

 

cts? Coolent temp sensor? I'm trying to figure out how ok going to run that because its in the wiring with the injectors and I don't want that up there. I see the plug in the side of the head for the coolent temp sender, my two oil pressure sensors, and my tach and power wires I believe.

 

You notice how there are 2 connectors in the injector harness? There are actually 2 independent harnesses in there. The front one is only for the fuel injectors and the rear one is for the CSI and CTS. Separate the harnesses.

Tach and power wires are on the ignition coil. Leave them and use an external coil, since I'm assuming you're going to use a distributor.

 

whats the cts stand for?

 

Coolant temp sensor... If I had said CTG that would mean the gauge/idiot light sender in the head. The CSI is the cold start injector (actually the switch next to the CTS).

 

the sensor is for the fan isnt it?

 

its a good day!!!!! got the old 2.8 and trans out!!! im so happy to see that slow turd coming out for good. i powerwashed the engine bay down and got all the grime and crap out, flushed my heater core and my god that was nasty. letting it dry out some before i push it back in the garage to start moving the motor mounts forward.

 

yeah, old antifreeze = bad old ***** smell lol

 

it wasn't old though, maybe 2 years old, when I out the v6 in I put in fresh antifreeze. Must have been in the block and core but its out now!

 

no matter how many times you flush the system, its never all out and when we swapped engines in my moms camaro (3.4) it wreacked